Seahawks Future OT?

[Hawk096]

Pete Carroll continues to make the rounds of top 10 rookie talent after spending Friday watching Jimmy Clausen complete all but two of his passes at his Pro Day he was in attendance at Oklahoma State University to have a private workout for Russell Okung. Okung a left tackle from Oklahoma State University apparently worked out for Carroll and met with him according to a Tulsa World report. Carroll reportedly was in attendance to learn more about Russell and then he met with his college head coach Mike Gundy to learn more about him.
It's still not sure if Walter Jones will attempt to return from another injury plagued season or if he will retire. Whether he returns or not one thing is for sure- the Seahawks need to find their future left tackle. Offensive line is a key ingredient to any success in the NFL and if Jones returned would be a great mentor for Okung.

Pete Carroll checks out Russell Okung | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[SeahawkWag]

trade up! I think Detroit would want out of the 2 with Staffords contract last year.

 

[SeaHawksHuddle]

Trade up?! No way. We have too many needs to give up picks.

Trade down.

 

[Fenom]

Trade up?! No way. We have too many needs to give up picks.

Trade down.

I agree. If they do trade up it will be after the 1st round.

 

[SeahawkWag]

are you kidding? We can't fill our needs in one draft. We are not going to be good this year. Start building the line correctly. The 6th pick is there for a reason.... to get a top player! If you can't then trade down the 14th pick. Since it seems that the 12-30 players are about the same. The diff between the 1st LT and the next is a long ways.

 

[SeahawkWag]

Seattle Seahawks Insider - The News Tribune

Continuing the team’s search for an offensive tackle in this year’s draft, Seahawks head coach took a second visit to Oklahoma this weekend to talk to Oklahoma State offensive tackle Russell Okung. Most mock drafts have Okung going to Washington at No. 4. Okung is unlikely to fall to Seattle at No. 6, but Seattle has enough ammunition with the No. 6 and No. 14 overall picks to move in the draft if they really like Okung.
Detroit, with the No. 2 overall pick, reportedly wants to move down in the draft. And Seattle already has worked with the Lions in the Rob Sims deal.


Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks#ixzz0ktzXKz2u
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[#ONE]

Give them our 14th and one of our 4th rounders for their #2. That way we still have 2 picks in the 1st (top 10) and still have our other 4th...

your thoughts?

 

[sigpro]

Give them our 14th and one of our 4th rounders for their #2. That way we still have 2 picks in the 1st (top 10) and still have our other 4th...

your thoughts?

If you look at the trade value chart ([ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670"]NFL draft-pick value chart - NFL - ESPN[/ame]) you can clearly see that wouldn't nearly be enough. We would have to give up our 6th overall and probably our 60th overall along with a 4th round pick. I like your scenario for us though.

 

[SeaHawksHuddle]

The 6th pick is there for a reason.... to get a top player! If you can't then trade down the 14th pick. Since it seems that the 12-30 players are about the same. The diff between the 1st LT and the next is a long ways.

You were advocating trading up out of the 6th pick, which would be stupid, especially into the 2nd spot. Okung, while maybe the most NFL ready tackle, is definitely not a Joe Thomas or Jake Long. Don't reach. History shows that's the worst thing you can do in a draft. There will be a top player available with the 6th pick. It may not be a tackle. But giving up any draft picks in the deepest draft in years (maybe decades) is dumb. And giving up draft picks for next year's draft when we may be trying to find a franchise quarterback is dumb as well.

You say this is going to be a long rebuild process, but how can you rebuild without draft picks. Trading up is not the way to go.

 

[SeahawkWag]

so you rebuild with 4th 5th 6th and 7th rounders?

No you build with the first 3 rounds. Those are the guys that are supposed to start as rookies or 2nd year.

If you want a QB next year as I do. Then you got to get the best LT now to give a year to season and not throw 2 rookies out there at the same time.

Taking Okung at 2 is a reach how? Fine move up 2 spots and get him at 4. There is a Safety from TX that may be as good at Berry and there is a good chance he will still be there at 14. But is there a chance at getting the best LT and IMO he is 2 times the LT of the other guys out there if you are going to use a 6 or better on him. I think 1/2 the LT in this draft will be RT or LG when all is said and done.

 

[SeaHawksHuddle]

Who is going to give up the number two spot for a bunch of 4, 5, 6, and 7 rounders? Because, as you so eloquently put, you don't build franchises with them. So again, moving up would cost us too much, especially in a draft like this one.

As far as Okung being the best, that depends on how you rate the best. The best as in NFL ready? Probably. Best as in potential? No. And don't fall into the trap of thinking that because he might be the best in this draft that taking him at number 2 isn't a reach.

 

[#ONE]

Even though it's not VERY likely there is still a good chance he falls to us @ 6. He maybe the best "NFL ready" Tackle as 18 put it, but is he worth a top 5 pick?

It would be very sick if we got Okung at 6 and Morgan at 14. Address needs on both O line and D line.

 

[D Hawk]

Okung won't make it past the Redskins, and the Redskins would need a LOT to give up their spot at #4. For us to get Okung, we'd need to work out something with Tampa Bay IF the Lions don't grab him at #2. We'd likely have to sell the farm and give up 6 and 14, because they would risk losing McCoy. Okung's just not worth it. Take Berry at 6, and at 14 take Brown, or depending on who is on the board, look to maybe Houston to trade down to 20 and get their 3rd round pick. They need a CB, and Haden could possibly fall that far. But then - I might want to grab Haden, too, and take Saffold at 60.

As for rebuilding... don't discount our 6th and 7th round selections. Where did Forsett get drafted? Or Reed? This is a very heavy draft with all the underclassmen that came out, and guys from the 5th - 7th will make an impact on some teams.

 

[SeahawkWag]

Even the lions wouldn't ask for the 6 and 14

TB WANTS their pick to get one of the DT so they are out.

 

[SeahawkWag]

Who is going to give up the number two spot for a bunch of 4, 5, 6, and 7 rounders? Because, as you so eloquently put, you don't build franchises with them. So again, moving up would cost us too much, especially in a draft like this one.

As far as Okung being the best, that depends on how you rate the best. The best as in NFL ready? Probably. Best as in potential? No. And don't fall into the trap of thinking that because he might be the best in this draft that taking him at number 2 isn't a reach.

who said they would take those? I said earlier our 6th and 2 4th would get it done. Detroit would probably take that.

 

[SeaHawksHuddle]

You never said that.

Assuming you did say that, unless Detroit is stupid, they wouldn't give up a pick valued at 2600 points for two picks worth less than 2,000 points.

You just wanted to mortgage the farm on a left tackle, which is fine if the tackle is a Walter Jones or more recently, a Joe Thomas or Jake Long. But Okung is far from any of those.

 

[SeahawkWag]

Again I said our 6 and 2 4ths to move up 2-4 spots is not crazy. Read again.

You said "Who is going to give up the number two spot for a bunch of 4, 5, 6, and 7 rounders?"

Detroit wants out of the 2 for $$$$ reasons and they want lots of picks. Why can't you understand that?

Trade up?! No way. We have too many needs to give up picks.
Trade down.

Who do you think has higher potential than Okung?

Because, as you so eloquently put, you don't build franchises with them. So again, moving up would cost us too much, especially in a draft like this one.

As far as Okung being the best, that depends on how you rate the best. The best as in NFL ready? Probably. Best as in potential? No. And don't fall into the trap of thinking that because he might be the best in this draft that taking him at number 2 isn't a reach.

 

[sigpro]

I'll say it clear for everyone to read: Losing picks in a deep draft like this one to reach for guy at #2 is idiotic. Charles Brown is there at #14 and he WILL be a franchise LT.

 

[SeaHawksHuddle]

Let me hold your hand through this. Try to keep up.

Here are all of Wags' posts clearly showing he never said "our 6th and 2 4ths would get it done":

trade up! I think Detroit would want out of the 2 with Staffords contract last year.

are you kidding? We can't fill our needs in one draft. We are not going to be good this year. Start building the line correctly. The 6th pick is there for a reason.... to get a top player! If you can't then trade down the 14th pick. Since it seems that the 12-30 players are about the same. The diff between the 1st LT and the next is a long ways.

Seattle Seahawks Insider - The News Tribune

Continuing the team’s search for an offensive tackle in this year’s draft, Seahawks head coach took a second visit to Oklahoma this weekend to talk to Oklahoma State offensive tackle Russell Okung. Most mock drafts have Okung going to Washington at No. 4. Okung is unlikely to fall to Seattle at No. 6, but Seattle has enough ammunition with the No. 6 and No. 14 overall picks to move in the draft if they really like Okung.
Detroit, with the No. 2 overall pick, reportedly wants to move down in the draft. And Seattle already has worked with the Lions in the Rob Sims deal.


Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks#ixzz0ktzXKz2u
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so you rebuild with 4th 5th 6th and 7th rounders?

No you build with the first 3 rounds. Those are the guys that are supposed to start as rookies or 2nd year.

If you want a QB next year as I do. Then you got to get the best LT now to give a year to season and not throw 2 rookies out there at the same time.

Taking Okung at 2 is a reach how? Fine move up 2 spots and get him at 4. There is a Safety from TX that may be as good at Berry and there is a good chance he will still be there at 14. But is there a chance at getting the best LT and IMO he is 2 times the LT of the other guys out there if you are going to use a 6 or better on him. I think 1/2 the LT in this draft will be RT or LG when all is said and done.

Even the lions wouldn't ask for the 6 and 14

TB WANTS their pick to get one of the DT so they are out.

who said they would take those? I said earlier our 6th and 2 4th would get it done. Detroit would probably take that.

Sorry pal. Maybe YOU should read again. You had a theory they wanted to get out of the 2nd spot. I challenged your theory and you tried to dig up some story to fit your theory even though it clearly does not:

Detroit has NEVER said they want out of the 2nd spot. You linked to an article that had some "expert" saying he thinks they would like to move out of the second spot. Even the second line of the article you linked to says, "Heck, even the team's decision-makers may not know what they're going to do with the No. 2 overall pick in the draft more than two weeks away."

So your whole "Detroit wants out of the 2 for $$$$ reasons and they want lots of picks. Why can't you understand that?" statement is completely moot as you are clearly only hypothesizing they want out. Why can't you understand that?

 

[D Hawk]

Even the lions wouldn't ask for the 6 and 14

TB WANTS their pick to get one of the DT so they are out.

I hadn't consulted a pick value chart before I posted that... just assigned a common-sense approach for a team giving up on the talent they would like. So - on your assertion, let's pull in the values:

#2: 2600
#6: 1600
#14: 1100
#60: 300 But, given that...:detsux:

So - it would stand that we'd have to send 6 & 14 for #2 and Detroit's 4th round pick.